HiTech Well-Known Member. That's a bogus video. Long ago, I pried open a lantern battery and it had approx. D sized cells in it. Andyc Active Member. I have opened several. Last edited: Oct 12, Krumlink New Member. That is so annoying. Why even go through the effort to make a fake video? Hi Krumlink Crummy Link? Actially, the real Joule Thief circuit uses a proper small ferrite core, not a rusty nail.
Hero Banned. I opened up one of those 6V batteries about 15 years ago and they have four double length D cells in. Depending upon the Ah capacity 4 D's or double sized D cells are in those 6 volt batteries. As recall the cells that are the diameter of D cell and about twice as long are size F cells. I remember some of the older multiple cell batterys, like the ones that were zinc carbon. The cells were stacked and then coated with wax. Click to expand When I was a kid I had a 6-transistors AM radio.
My friend got a better one that said on its cover transistors. We looked inside and saw 7 transistors all connected together but not connected to the radio circuit. Two pins on an 8th transistor were used as the diode detector. The spec's are exactly the same. Do they put a little AA cell inside a huge D cell? The D cell costs much more. Look at the specs for Energizer's ordinary Alkaline cells and their Titanium premium more expensive cells.
I usually pop the tops off 9 volt batteries, to solder on PCBs or add wires for battery clips I'm not really that cheap or anything. Some of the battery connectors you buy are a little on the cheap side, the wires come off.
Before I really paid any attention to the 's V input, I would take off the plastic part covering the solder connections of a 9V connector and would Solder a to it, to get 5v. Then I would hot glue it up. Krumlink said:. That was when I was first starting electronics years ago. Now I know all about that stuff. Dont forget that LDO's sometimes use around ma themselves.
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Ok, there's not really much that I can say to top this one. After the amazing work that Kipkay did over at Metacafe, the folks at gagfilms have gone one better. They've discovered not 10 or even 20 but 32 AA batteries inside a standard 6v battery. Yup, I'm floored. NOTE: One astute guest has pointed out that this could be all a bunch of hokum, which I fell for like so many others out there on the web.
I hacked up my 6v battery and found 4 1. If you are willing to hack up yours and tell us what you find, I'd love to get to the bottom of this one. As a rule, I don't usually like to post just one video in isolation but this one deserves it. I think that equates to around 7 measly cents per battery. Did I just hear parents everywhere rejoice? What is surprising me more though although it probably shouldn't is the way the battery industry seems to be pulling the wool over our eyes. No wonder the Energizer bunny can keep going and going, it's costing almost nothing to replace the power source.
Indeed, the humble AA seems to be the backbone of the battery industry. So, I did a little digging. Actually, a lot of digging.
In total around six hours of web-surfing and phone calls and came up with nothing. No-one wants to talk to me about the production costs of batteries, and a recent theft of trade secrets at Duracell has the industry very, very wary indeed. At this point I'm throwing it over to you. Do you know anyone who works in the battery industry? Is this just the way the battery industry works and if they changed things the prices would go up? I have way too many questions and no answers.
But until I get them, I'm getting all my AAs from inside a 6v lantern battery. It's going to save me quite a pretty penny. Disclaimer: The links and mentions on this site may be affiliate links. But they do not affect the actual opinions and recommendations of the authors. Wise Bread is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon. I don't know much about today's battery industry, and this comment isn't specifically addressed to the pricing policies of batteries, but related enough, I think.
My grandmother used to work in a battery factory in Wisconsin back when stuff was still made in the US They made blank batteries like the ones that fill the 6V, which were then wrapped in a variety of labels: RayOVac, Duracell, etc. WHich is to say, there was no difference in the batteries sold by different brands -- they were exactly the same, even though some brands were cheap and others expensive. Since then, some new technologies have been introduced, like batteries specifically for electronics, that I assume are proprietary, so maybe this doesn't go on as much anymore though I doubt it: like everything else, I'm sure batteries are made in a handful of Chinese factories that contact out to all the major companies.
I've had weird experiences with batteries. I understand that they are all made at the same factory, but buying store brand batteries once cost my middle school nerd brigade the national title in our nerdy robot competition. Then again, it might have been a conspiracy on the part of the store to get us to buy the brand name batteries by selling expired store-brand batteries.
Who knows? Paul, remind me not to have kids. Or not to buy my kids toys that require batteries. Just some dolls made out of old socks or something. My God. I feel completely stupid not having thought of that before I took the time to research the legitimacy of that video.
But then again I'm drunk right now. First, 32 batteries could actually fit snuggly inside the 6v housing, They would need to be arranged in 2 layers of 4x4. Second, I asked a few physics wizards that I know and they said that it is very possible to create a 6v battery from 32 AAs. It's all how you wire them together. And that made me stop in my tracks.
I didn't see any wiring in the box. So I took apart my 6v and found 4 1. But, does that mean this is fake or true? I suspect it may actually be fake after all, as the place is called gagfilms boy, how did I miss that one? Until I hear a definitive BS called on this, I'm hopeful it may still work. And I do think battery companies have a lot to hide. But as this mythbusters often say, this one's busted.
Nice catch guest, I'm the first to admit when I'm wrong and have edited the article accordingly. You're not the only one to fall for this gag in the name of science. I always wondered who bought all the 6 volt batteries. Now I think the battery company started this rumor to sell them to us!
So don't feel too bad You can laugh at me here:. Your "double C" comment is funny. Those are "F" cells, the high aH ampere-hour lantern cells have four of those F cells in series, the lower aH ones have four "D" cells in series big space gap in those cheaper ones. This is only sorta related. My dad is an optometrist. I was amazed to learn years ago that disposable contact lens are no different than daily wear The upshot is..
Buy a short term supply of disposables Be sure to do that protein soak bath treatment to keep them clean and clear and they will last you a very long time and save you tons of cash Why not use rechargeable batteries? They've improve a lot over the years. They're best for the environment and the pocketbook. That's exactly what I do! I got the daily disposables and wore each one for longer than suggested.. It was very cost effective So I would wear a pair for 30, take them out and let them rest, put in a new for 30 and switch back and forth My eye doctor knew and didn't care one way or another You're both spot on.
I recently heard a story in which an optemetrist stood up at a contact lens convention and asked "so what's the difference between daily and monthly disposables? It's feasible that there really are 32 AAs in there They won't be alkalines, however, and the amount of power you're going to be able to pull from them isn't going to be up to the standards you're used to. Upon further investigation, I have discovered that the 32 AA batteries can be found in the 6V available from Walgreens.
Good job. You were right on target. Some lantern batteries have AAs inside, some do not. My problem is that after reading your post, I went to my local Walgreen store, and the store did not carry lantern batteries. I am now wondering about other sources. I see some mention of Walmart in the posts. The question is why use AA's or C's, or other batteries to make up 6 Volt batteries?
The answer is production run costs and simple economics. I will tackle the latter answer first. The reason why AA's cost so much in comparison is because the market will pay it. Why should companies charge less, if we pay this amount? Now to the more technical issue, production costs. The cost equation for a battery can be broken down into raw material costs, assembly costs, packaging costs, transportation costs to get product to market , marketing costs, and finally any product mark-up along the way.
As can be seen, the raw material and assembly costs are just a small part in the overall process. The assembly line at least the one I am familiar with, again back in Wisconsin had three parts. The first part mixed the chemicals that make up the inner parts and fed into the battery case i. The chemicals, depending on whether alkaline or normal are all the same, the only cost difference would be in the housing and other parts of the base battery, plus the volume that could be produced per hour.
Now here is one of the cost savers when it comes to the 6 Volt. Larger Batch runs are more efficient than smaller batch runs i. If a line can produce a product for both AA's and 6 Volts, let's say, it would be more cost effective. There is no difference at this point, other than the small incremental cost of additional raw materials per battery for the 6 Volt.
The raw material cost would most likely, however, be negligible compared to production run costs. The second part of the assembly line is the wrapping. The final line segment in the plant is the bubble-pack line. This is where the batteries get packed into their end-market packaging e.
This is where the AA's and AAA's have higher costs since there is more handling of the individual units as compared to 6 Volts where are packed directly into boxes most likely -- I only worked on a study during college regarding the bubble-pack line of AA's and AAA's.
So, here you would add an additional cost factor into the assembly process due to the additional machine and handling time the smaller batteries require. I hope this helps in understanding the plant costs. I have no idea what the marketing and transportation costs may be.
The chemistry with Alkaline and Heavy-Duty cells is vastly different, and there's a reason why Energizer and DuraCel advertise on the long-life and high power of their batteries. The packaging always compares their performance to heavy-duty batteries. Even if the 6V battery did have 32 AA Heavy Duty batteries, I wouldn't want to use them in my electronics, for they will surely lack the juice.
Even in the very earliest carbon zinc batteries for lanterns, the size of the cells inside is what is called "F" cells. And Duracells often cost more!!! Blind brand loyalty for some people, maybe??? To answer your question, the one that is used with metacafe is from Walgreens it was noted by a previous post as well.
I haven't yet tried it, just discovered it tonight, but I plan to buy one of these and find out for myself. I'm not a tech geek, just a Mom with lots of toys to powerup. Since each AA is nominally 1. This could be done by wiring in parallel eight such groups of four. Batteries connected positive-to-negative will add their voltage but provide the same amperage current. Batteries connected positive-to-positive and negative-to-negative will add their amperage but provide the same voltage.
Now, just because the physics and math work out, it does not mean that all or even any 6V lantern batteries are made this way, just that you cannot use that argument to prove that it's fake. You must actually cut open different brands to see whether the second video is typical. The first video shows that the wiring must be cut, but it does not show all of it in detail, and there's an edit point between that point and the dramatic dump onto the table.
It certainly leaves me suspicious. I call shenanigans. Where are all the wires for that. Most clearly seen on the battery to the lower right.
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